Why don't the TOCs, or perhaps Railtrack, have their own fleet of buses operated by people who know the area.Sure, the issue with Northern RRBs is that often they just get what they're given. I used to commute on the Buxton line and there was a proper motley collection that turned out whenever the line was shut.
We nearly got stuck on a lane near Dove Holes station with a bus that was significantly oversized for the job.
Railtrack stopped existing in 2002. Network Rail do not run trains so RRBs are out of the question. If you were a TOC and with different levels of disruption every weekend, how many buses do you need? What are you doing with buses etc when they arent needed? How do you know if local drivers are available as they surely work for other bus operators?Why don't the TOCs, or perhaps Railtrack, have their own fleet of buses operated by people who know the area.
High Peak buses have no difficulty running services around this area. To get to Chinley station you need a small single decker. Not the RRB I saw stuck there last week: a 100 seater coach more suited to motorway cruising than negotiating the Peak lanes
Don't TOCs put this out to tender and then it's up to that company to rustle up buses as needed? Curiously Arriva had it for Northern, certainly until recently. Thus we may get a driver and coach from Kendal or Stoke to replace a train in the Peak District, using their own satnav because they've never been there before and haven't been given more than rudimentary route assistance.Railtrack stopped existing in 2002. Network Rail do not run trains so RRBs are out of the question. If you were a TOC and with different levels of disruption every weekend, how many buses do you need? What are you doing with buses etc when they arent needed? How do you know if local drivers are available as they surely work for other bus operators?
Why don't the TOCs, or perhaps Railtrack, have their own fleet of buses operated by people who know the area.
High Peak buses have no difficulty running services around this area. To get to Chinley station you need a small single decker. Not the RRB I saw stuck there last week: a 100 seater coach more suited to motorway cruising than negotiating the Peak lanes
Don't TOCs put this out to tender and then it's up to that company to rustle up buses as needed? Curiously Arriva had it for Northern, certainly until recently. Thus we may get a driver and coach from Kendal or Stoke to replace a train in the Peak District, using their own satnav because they've never been there before and haven't been given more than rudimentary route assistance.
If Andrews or another local firm have capacity, both coaches and drivers, and accept the terms offered all tends to go well.
Probably because there are diversionary routes they aren’t busting a gut to fix it, if the landslip had been east of Chinley then they would move heaven and earth (!!!) to fix it …!Autumn - ouch. Thank goodness there are diversionary routes !
Because, as another member said, they won't pay enough for most existing operators to bother running RRBs - let alone them buying a fleet of buses.Why don't the TOCs, or perhaps Railtrack, have their own fleet of buses operated by people who know the area.
High Peak buses have no difficulty running services around this area. To get to Chinley station you need a small single decker. Not the RRB I saw stuck there last week: a 100 seater coach more suited to motorway cruising than negotiating the Peak lanes
Network Rail pay TOCs a fixed rate for bus replacement as part of Schedule 4. Its the agreed compensation mechanism for the industry.Because, as another member said, they won't pay enough for most existing operators to bother running RRBs - let alone them buying a fleet of buses.
Certainly, but the rail replacement contractors the TOCs use still offer a poor rate.Network Rail pay TOCs a fixed rate for bus replacement as part of Schedule 4. Its the agreed compensation mechanism for the industry.
Doesn't cover the cost of some blocks unfortunately.Network Rail pay TOCs a fixed rate for bus replacement as part of Schedule 4. Its the agreed compensation mechanism for the industry.
They can claim over and above if they believe and can prove that is the case.Doesn't cover the cost of some blocks unfortunately.
Quite. I would have thought that the New Mills incident would be 'Sustained Planned Disruption' in Schedule 4 of Northern's Track Access Agreement, which is surely based on 'negotiation' rather than the formulaic bus costs under the arrangements for typical short pre-planned works.They can claim over and above if they believe and can prove that is the case.
Yes, it's closed till the Autumn as posts above.Does anyone know if this closure is still ongoing today?
Yes.Does anyone know if this closure is still ongoing today?
Until the autumn at least. I'll nip into the drop in meeting on Thursday to see what's the plan.Yes.
Until 4 June according to Northern but probably later according to posts above.