It isn’t quite. The limited stop trains take about that long but whether a stop at Skipton and passage through to Colne could be pathed in 24 minutes is doubtful - you’re not going to get a continuous 60mph line speed for the whole journey
You are correct. I have just looked it up, it is 41 to 43 minutes.
The distance is less then 10.5 miles. Apart from each end, there is no reason for linespeed to be less than 60mph, even 70mph. With one stop at Earby that would take 13 minutes. Leeds-Harrogate is 18 miles and takes 29 minutes with one stop at Horsforth on gradients more severe than Skipton-Colne and a 20mph psr at former Crimple Junction near Harrogate.
Assuming Leeds and half of Bradford passengers would use Copy Pit means that the other half of Bradford, Wharfedale and Airedale would use Skipton-Colne in a lot less time than via Leeds. Train-bus-train is no incentive over a much faster through train.
Loath? That’s a very strong word for someone who has an opposing opinion to yourself. Almost sounds like you live life in the realms of ‘my way or the highway’.
Anyway you don’t actually know me, you never know, you might find me alright. I mean I live life in the world of realism not historic fantasy but that doesn’t particularly make me loathsome does it? I certainly aren’t responsible for Britain’s decline as you seem to intimate, that‘s quite an accusation. For what it’s worth I’ve never voted Tory and voted remain (the current government and Brexit are two very strong reasons for the decline of this country from where I’m sitting, thank god for my EU passport).
I certainly wouldn’t pass such an opinion on someone I didn’t even know.
I don't need to know you. It comes over in your posting.
Also there’s a massive difference between negativity and realism as I’m sure you know. The problem here as I see it is that any form of realism from someone in the industry who understands finances and cost-benefit ratios etc… will always be shouted down as negative when the reality of poor BCR’s and the fact there’s no money in the pot is pointed out. If I think it’s worthwhile I’d say so but all this reversing Beeching stuff very rarely is.
Anyway I’ve stopped laughing at those digs and accusations now so let me continue with my right to reply from my place in the land of realism.
Realism is not exclusive to you. I am a retired intensive care consultant. Turning off a life support machine in front of relatives after asking can their loved ones organs be harvested is at the peak of realism. Thoughts of "You are killing my relative so you can take their organs" is almost audible.
BCR for Skipton-Colne is positive unlike HS2, Ratho-Bathgate-Airdrie and Newtonhall-Teedbank. They are all negative but still being built even though less worthy of opening than Skipton-Colne so why bother with BCR formulae. Harrogate-Ripon reinstatement has a positive BCR of 2.2 and Capex BCR of 4.6 but has been dismissed by Government.
Any reversing Beeching 'stuff' should be reinstated with a positive BCR.
So we make the same mistakes as before? You know what they say about trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
It’s 41 minutes for the stopper which takes it over the hour, not the convenient 36 minutes that takes it under the magic hour mark (the semi fast time) that you seem to be confused with so if you are looking at a fast service down the valley does that not undo the argument?
Also is under 22 minutes (so 21 minutes or why would you say ‘under 22 minutes’ and not ‘20 minutes’ for instance) Colne - Skipton with one stop a guess or is it based on realism. Are there no more stops planned (I thought there were a few) or are you only saying that to suit your sub 1 hour argument?
Making the two stations nearer together is not making another mistake. It is righting a mistake made in the 1970s
I have already agreed it is 41 minutes by all stations services. It still would take less than an hour from Leeds to Colne. Class 333/331 will accelerate to 60mph in less than a minute, class 195 only a few seconds longer. With one stop at Earby, journey time would be 13 minutes with linespeed of 60mph. Even at 40 minutes Skipton-Colne, it would still be quicker than bus by through train.
22 minutes was just not plucked out of the air. It was my original figure of 36 +2 minutes station time +22 minutes onward to Colne to make it 60 minutes or 21 minutes to make it under the hour. It was no fix to enforce my argument. You say you are not negative?
Yes if the mega plans for transpennine freight are to be fulfilled.
Can you show me that nobody does that or is it just a guess?
It was previously on their website and mentioned a lot in a previous thread.
Leeds station throat is much busier now and TRU will limit it further from the Aire Valley. Cross pennine will be catered for better by this using the Healey Mills route as now thanks to the planned grade separation at Thornhill Junction. How many of those 41 paths were overnight when there are far less trains and zero passenger paths.
As I said before, this gap in the Pennines will allow more wagons to be added to freight trains without having to double head for Pennine gradients.
Leeds west end station throat even with busier TRU will still be less busy without 41 daily coal trains crossing. It was calculated only 6 freight trains would use Skipton-Colne per day.
How many more TRU trains will there be? By my calculation there will be one additional all stations stopper per hour.
No, not a guess. It is realism. None in their right mind would go train-bus-train when there is a through train and much quicker.
Tell me please, if this is such a good scheme why there has still not been a single spade in the ground since SELRAP’s inception? I’ve said before that they’d be better campaigning for a second Copy Pit service which connects to the Colne service at Rose Grove (cross island platform so perfect).
Sorry if this isn’t the expensive and unrealistic Beeching reverse you were looking for.
Because a further £300,000 needs spending on studies, then a couple of million on buying back the trackbed and lastly designing the track and bed, drainage signalling and station buildings that have been costed at £300million when available.
Expensive maybe but not unrealistic. Spending £9billion of HS2 money on the same length of dual carriageway in Northamptonshire is expensive when the money was supposed to be spent on railways in the North.