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Does anyone know who old the steam tender frames are on which the independent snow ploughs still used by Network Rail are built?
I know they're former LNER tenders.
I know they're former LNER tenders.
Does anyone know who old the steam tender frames are on which the independent snow ploughs still used by Network Rail are built?
I know they're former LNER tenders.
Which probably also identifies S1000S as the green Mark 1 in the p1967 picture at Clapham JunctionHowever, to the left of the battery box below the solebar is a small box which is noticeably lighter on the possible S1000S, as it is in the Nov 63 picture, so I am still inclined to say we have S1000S behind 32670.
It's a good question. Some seriously antique locos may well have encountered much newer machines when working over the main line to and from contracts whilst in the care of Boulton's Siding. There were probably quite a few industrial locos of venerable age which worked the private side of vrious exchange sidings at least into the 1930s and possibly more recently. For instance, Captain Baxter built 1877 worked the Dorking Greystone Lime Works system until withdrawn in 1959. Presumably much newer main line trains were running through Betchworth by then. I am sure others will know of much better examples.Just out of interest are there any examples of say 1830s era stock being used in the 1890s/1900s? - Even up the grouping perhaps? So much focus on the transition to BR maybe we're missing earlier examples.
Not quite the same thing, but I remember being on a rail tour from Paddington that ran through to Minehead in about 1996. The tour was Mk 1s with two Cromptons and was piloted (or top and tailed- I now forget ) on the WSR by a preserved (of course) 25 which was the newest vehicle in the entire train.Are there any where the coaches are older than the locos?
I've seen a few photos of say a B1 or B17 hauling ex-GCR or ex-MSL carriages.
150 years wow thats gonna take some beating
"Prince" (1863) and "Taleisin" (1999)
The ffestiniog's newest locomotive, "James Spooner" was built in 2013, but I can't find a picture of it with either Prince or either of the other 1860s-vintage locos.
It did see 170s in Central Trains days though. Of course that means subtracting 20 years off the ages!Well, the ETCS on the Cambrian line means nothing newer than 158s (or 37s for locos). Still quite a good gap though.
From a childhood holiday to Borth in 1989, at a caravan site in view of the railway, 150s were definitely on the line by then. Alongside 37/4s on the Eustons.The VoR was part of British rail until privatised in 1989. Were Class 15x running to Aberyswyth by then?
Somewhere I have a photo of a blue and grey Gresley buffet in Glasgow Central, early 1970s. It was a Peak hauled train via the GSWR and Settle and Carlisle. Not sure of the ultimate destination. Rest of the stock was Mk 1s.I did suspect they were as I was aware that some Gresley buffets lasted long enough to get Blue/Grey (as you point out), but didn't want to leap to a conclusion, so I played it safe lol
The Leeds-Glasgow-Leeds? I recall the Buffet from the same period.Somewhere I have a photo of a blue and grey Gresley buffet in Glasgow Central, early 1970s. It was a Peak hauled train via the GSWR and Settle and Carlisle. Not sure of the ultimate destination. Rest of the stock was Mk 1s.
I have been out all day but dynamometer cars crossed my mind too!I wonder how old the GWR or NER dynamometer cars were when they were last used to measure loco performance. Much of their work was carried out with newer locomotives or following modifications to existing design.
This dynamometer car was built by Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway in 1912 to the requirements of George Hughes, C.B.E., the company’s Chief Mechanical Engineer, and ran its first trials on 7th February 1913 testing the performance of the first of Hughes 4-6-0 four cylinder express passenger locomotives No.1506.
Gresley Buffets on boat trains to/from Harwich could have worked adjacent to these.The only 312s in service in 1975 were on the Great Eastern, on which at the time electrification did not extend on the main lines beyond Bishops Stortford or Colchester
I have been out all day but dynamometer cars crossed my mind too!
The oldest I could find that lasted into the 1960s was the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Dynamometer Car built in 1912.
I've found the GWR car, built in 1901, was last used behind 9F 92178 and was withdrawn in 1961. 92178 appears to have been built in 1957, but annoyingly I can't find a date for this run. Apparently a max speed of 87 mph was reached. Not a bad way to bow out.
. The only 312s in service in 1975 were on the Great Eastern, on which at the time electrification did not extend on the main lines beyond Bishops Stortford or Colchester
Close but no cigar. The wires on the main oine only reached Colchester. The harwich boat trains got no further down the GEML than Manningtree.Gresley Buffets on boat trains to/from Harwich could have worked adjacent to these.
The OP did explicitly rule out heritage railwaysstroudley carriage 661 bluebell railway could be alongside class 700 emus 1880 and 2014-18 nearly 140 yrs age gap
There were lots of boat trains between Liverpool Street and Harwich.Close but no cigar. The wires on the main oine only reached Colchester. The harwich boat trains got no further down the GEML than Manningtree.
In that case I stand corrected on the Manchesters. (Were Gresley buffet cars still in use on the Liverpool Street boat trains that late?)There were lots of boat trains between Liverpool Street and Harwich.
The train from Manchester did not stay at Harwich overnight. I have the 1974/75 WTT when it ran empty to Thornton Field on Wednesdays and Saturdays, and Colchester on the other days.
W9135E was taken out of normal traffic on 15th February, but remains in stock, on reserve, for the time being. It was noted in Paddington on 19th February. All four Gresley Buffets on the Eastern Region were in frequent use during February. E9115E was noted in 1G06 excursion through Darlington on 21st February, E9128E was in one of the Liverpool Street-Harwich boat train sets, E9131E in the Harwich-Manchester set and E9132E was noted in the formation of the 1002 Newcastle-Liverpool up to the 15th of the month.
Not forgetting that some 455s have ex-508 trailers dating from 1978There is bound to be a large age difference between the final 455 and the 701 which eventually replaces it.
Wasn't one scrapped very recently that had been sat at a station for years?i wonder would there be any old tool/ mess/ guards vans in sidings or yards that would encounter modern traction
Wasn't one scrapped very recently that had been sat at a station for years?
There are some ex-Class 302 (I think) Postal coaches sitting at Willesden in the former Brent Sidings that, presumably, date from the late 1950s. Meanwhile Class 730s and 805s now pass that spot…Presumably you mean the Shark Plough Van at Shenfield, but that only dated from 1956.
Yes, I couldn't remember what it was or where!Presumably you mean the Shark Plough Van at Shenfield, but that only dated from 1956.
This one?
The West Country class were rebuilt as virtually new locomotives between 1957 and 1961, and were regulars at Axminster until Warship diesels took over in 1962 (not coincidentally, when the Adams tanks were replaced by dmus) .What was the newest loco / stock used on Waterloo / Salisbury <> Exeter services in 1960 just before the Adams Radial Tank Engines were withdrawn? The radial tanks were built 1885 so if they met a brand new diesel even a one-off on trial at Axminster the difference would have been 75 years.