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The tfw fleet has red and deals with level crossings.Might that be why the entire GWR fleet has yellow ends?
The tfw fleet has red and deals with level crossings.Might that be why the entire GWR fleet has yellow ends?
Yes, the proposed internal refurb looks really great. Maybe a turning point for XC at last.The colour scheme outside looks fine, but to me is largely irrelevant as long as the interior is smart, the train is not packed and runs on time. The interior refurb looks stunning and welcome news that an extra 12 sets are also coming.
Yes, lots of positives with this and the increase in capacity of the Avanti units.Yes, the proposed internal refurb looks really great. Maybe a turning point for XC at last.
Iam gonna assume its remains as it is and xc will take a similar approach to avanti and avoid the extra costYes, lots of positives with this and the increase in capacity of the Avanti units.
That pink has to go though!
Looking forward to using a Voyager with clean seats and windows that aren’t full of condensation and mould.
Are they doing anything with the seat reservation system or is that staying as now?
The Pendolino refurb involved changes to the TMS which entailed a significant change to the reservation displays behind the scenes, with the only visible change being a 'traffic light' LED next to each reservation display.Iam gonna assume its remains as it is and xc will take a similar approach to avanti and avoid the extra cost
Yes they did add LED indicators in the end however the displays themselves still retain the same screens as before and havent been moved. So the new seats avanti brought in kept the same spaces as beforeThe Pendolino refurb involved changes to the TMS which entailed a significant change to the reservation displays behind the scenes, with the only visible change being a 'traffic light' LED next to each reservation display.
Yes they did add LED indicators in the end however the displays themselves still retain the same screens as before and havent been moved. So the new seats avanti brought in kept the same spaces as before
Good to see them accepting defeat on seat/window alignment in the renders. Now let’s just hope they also stick with shoving people on particularly long journeys into the seats without a window as seems to happen frequently now. Then the traditional XC experience will be complete.
That really is no excuse. VTEC managed to fit seat reservation displays to the HST and Mark 4 fleets without needing a major exercise in re-cabling to each seating bay, so it cannot be beyond the wit of man to do the same with seat res displays on the Pendolinos and Voyagers. If they're modding/changing the res displays there is absolutely zero excuse.Like with the Pendolinos the seat layout is not changing presumably due to the cost of moving all the reservation gubbins.
Yes, but look how crap they are. Even the TfW ones have them frozen on “Reserved Peterborough to King’s Cross” Very cheap things. At least the Voyager ones are easy to read and functional. The Pendolino ones are hideously outdated though.That really is no excuse. VTEC managed to fit seat reservation displays to the HST and Mark 4 fleets without needing a major exercise in re-cabling to each seating bay, so it cannot be beyond the wit of man to do the same with seat res displays on the Pendolinos and Voyagers. If they're modding/changing the res displays there is absolutely zero excuse.
The TfW ones are like that because they stay in that state until they get another signal to change. Presumably TfW are not updating the reservations for them. That’s not an indicator of the effectiveness of the system.Yes, but look how crap they are. Even the TfW ones have them frozen on “Reserved Peterborough to King’s Cross” Very cheap things. At least the Voyager ones are easy to read and functional. The Pendolino ones are hideously outdated though.
I’d argue the GWR ones are the easiest to read, and the traffic light system is greatYes, but look how crap they are. Even the TfW ones have them frozen on “Reserved Peterborough to King’s Cross” Very cheap things. At least the Voyager ones are easy to read and functional. The Pendolino ones are hideously outdated though.
The standard Hitachi AT300 UK ones then, yes they're very good, and of course you'll find them on 800/801/802/803 with GWR, LNER, HT, TPE and LD. Enterprise has had them fitted to their De Deitrich carriages too.I’d argue the GWR ones are the easiest to read, and the traffic light system is great
But their data feed has been updated, and the actual programming behind the scenes has changed, just retaining the screens. I believe that they can now update in real-time.Yes they did add LED indicators in the end however the displays themselves still retain the same screens as before and havent been moved. So the new seats avanti brought in kept the same spaces as before
It was much easier for VTEC since they just fitted battery-powered wireless displays. The Pendolino/Voyager displays are wired and require major re-cabling efforts as a result, newer displays, like the Televic ones fitted to the IETs, are presumably easier to modify since they're daisy-chained (older designs may be too, I'm unsure).That really is no excuse. VTEC managed to fit seat reservation displays to the HST and Mark 4 fleets without needing a major exercise in re-cabling to each seating bay, so it cannot be beyond the wit of man to do the same with seat res displays on the Pendolinos and Voyagers. If they're modding/changing the res displays there is absolutely zero excuse.
I’d argue the GWR ones are the easiest to read, and the traffic light system is great
Indeed, wireless battery ones with eInk displays to prolong battery life.It was much easier for VTEC since they just fitted battery-powered wireless displays.
Televic supplied the original Pendolino and Voyager ones as well.The Pendolino/Voyager displays are wired and require major re-cabling efforts as a result, newer displays, like the Televic ones fitted to the IETs, are presumably easier to modify since they're daisy-chained (older designs may be too, I'm unsure).
Perfect-ish. Board an LNER train at London, or any of the terminals, and the seats will all be red or amber as they are either reserved or could be reserved along the route (apart from in the unreserved coach).Same with LNER. Just perfect.
Quite. It’s very easy to look at similar looking things and make sweeping assumptions without knowing the more complicated logistics, I would have easily assumed Avanti would certainly have addressed the dated reservation systems in their refurbishments were things not so awkward.It was much easier for VTEC since they just fitted battery-powered wireless displays. The Pendolino/Voyager displays are wired and require major re-cabling efforts as a result, newer displays, like the Televic ones fitted to the IETs, are presumably easier to modify since they're daisy-chained (older designs may be too, I'm unsure).
Ye, but it does suggest how cheap and simple they are, to think they don’t even switch off when not in use.The TfW ones are like that because they stay in that state until they get another signal to change. Presumably TfW are not updating the reservations for them. That’s not an indicator of the effectiveness of the system.
It's clever - it uses e-Ink so it doesn't need a continuous power supply. That's the point...Ye, but it does suggest how cheap and simple they are, to think they don’t even switch off when not in use.
What about displaying how many unreserved seats there are on the outside of the train, is the bottom line of the outside PIS ever even used?It would have been nice if the coloured lights had also been incorporated on the sides of the seat backs, but then there would have been a cost.
I think the entire unit has been replaced. The screens are clearer than the old ones.But their data feed has been updated, and the actual programming behind the scenes has changed, just retaining the screens. I believe that they can now update in real-time.
Ye, but it does suggest how cheap and simple they are, to think they don’t even switch off when not in use.
We had the near perfect 125mph diesel train on our network since 1976 A ground breaking, proven design that just needed a few tweaks to bring it into the 21st century. If they had used the successful HST concept to create a modern all electric or bi-mode “HST2” then we’d be far better off as passengers rather than suffering Voyagers or AT300’s, but of course we as a country don’t really design or build our own trains like we used to, we just assemble and fit out the awful, tacky, AT300’s, CAF units etc. Grey is a lovely colour if you want to imitate being stuck in the bowels of a submarine Personally, I find it drab and lacking imagination which can’t be said for the hideous proposed external colour schemeI’d like to hear what you think is a better 125 mph diesel train on the British network. There isn’t one. The build quality of the hitachi is awful and even feels unsafe to me on the GWR route. Voyagers are solid performers with a relatively comfortable passenger experience (overcrowding is not the fault of the train but those who under specced and underspent)
We agree on the colour scheme though, that bright pink just shouldn’t be on the side of any vehicle! We know this already, otherwise the roads would be full of garish pink cars. Let’s assume that the drivers of the UK buy cars that they either like or are comfortable with its exterior colour. They are predominantly blacks, grays, silver, whites and blues, with the odd splash of bright colours thrown in. Maybe we use that as a starting point, something fairly neutral with a splash of bright colour on the doors and front end etc, and a brightly coloured logo. That seems to be what they’ve done with the middle vehicles and it seems pretty professional looking to me, in complete contrast with the nonsense on the front and back end!
As for the gray interior, it’s actually quite nice. Maybe a thin colour thread running through it would help lift it a bit but I’m no interior designer! Still, a huge improvement on the mismatching colour scheme they have at the moment. Some of the brighter schemes on other trains are just hideous, yes, looking at you Stagecoach with your sky blue walls and bright red seats. Anyway, non bright colours are definitely more relaxing.
Also can’t disagree about the extortionate fares sadly!
Maybe the DfT dictates the seats will be grey, so they are all the same....Does anyone know yet what 12 Avanti sets out of 221101-221118 are destined for XC?
We had the near perfect 125mph diesel train on our network since 1976 A ground breaking, proven design that just needed a few tweaks to bring it into the 21st century. If they had used the successful HST concept to create a modern all electric or bi-mode “HST2” then we’d be far better off as passengers rather than suffering Voyagers or AT300’s, but of course we as a country don’t really design or build our own trains like we used to, we just assemble and fit out the awful, tacky, AT300’s, CAF units etc. Grey is a lovely colour if you want to imitate being stuck in the bowels of a submarine Personally, I find it drab and lacking imagination which can’t be said for the hideous proposed external colour scheme