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They could just vinyl the doors on most 387s/379s and look uniform - but have chosen not to so far.
UnderstatementThey need a bit of a clean up inside and out....
Anyone know when the next move from Worksop to Hornsey for the 379s are? If so, how many are going - is it one at a time or could two or three be delivered at once?
Another one coming on Tuesday?
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K05515/2024-04-30/detailed
There you goShould be two all being well
Lets see if this GBR thing all goes through...Great Northern has quite the mix of liveries, Thameslink striped and light blue doors on the 717, ex c2c 387/3 with dark blue doors, 387/1 with southern green doors, ex gwr 387/1 and possibly the 379 withe the current grey doors. I wonder if they would ever get a uniform livery.
The plan is Southern are getting 30 387s or thereabouts. For me it is whether (purely for tidiness sake) Southern would be getting the rest of the GN 387s ?.I was watching an episode of spotting where someone was train spotting on the ECML. Basically, there were a good few thameslink 700s operating Great Northern services. This may me wonder if let's say for hindsight that Great Northern were to use up to 10 700s Thameslink trains say on services from Kings X to Cambridge and the 379s is to serve the Kongs X to Ely and Kimgs Lynn and maybe Southern Railway were to get the 387s? It may work but it is something which more likely not to be true.
Yes that is what I am sayingThe plan is Southern are getting 30 387s or thereabouts. For me it is whether (purely for tidiness sake) Southern would be getting the rest of the GN 387s ?.
GN using extra 700s would make that possible and get rid of a microfleet - is that what you are saying ?.
Southern gets no increase in units from this cascade btw. Rumour mill is saying that a batch of 377s will be off to Southeastern.The plan is Southern are getting 30 387s or thereabouts. For me it is whether (purely for tidiness sake) Southern would be getting the rest of the GN 387s ?.
GN using extra 700s would make that possible and get rid of a microfleet - is that what you are saying ?.
That doesn't appear to be in doubt, the unknown is the net increase in units at GN, Southern and Southeastern.There will be a cascade
The Kings Lynn fast and Cambridge stoppers interwork since the May 2023 timetable change, so they'd have to rip up the diagrams to do what you're suggesting. So a Kings Lynn arrival at Kings Cross will go out as a Cambridge local and a Cambridge arrival goes out as a Kings Lynn fast.I was watching an episode of spotting where someone was train spotting on the ECML. Basically, there were a good few thameslink 700s operating Great Northern services. This may me wonder if let's say for hindsight that Great Northern were to use up to 10 700s Thameslink trains say on services from Kings X to Cambridge and the 379s is to serve the Kongs X to Ely and Kimgs Lynn and maybe Southern Railway were to get the 387s? It may work but it is something which more likely not to be true.
Well, unfortunately. Southern replacements for 455s and the 313s are not going to happen. The DFT has never been a fan of Southern rail commuters.Southern gets no increase in units from this cascade btw. Rumour mill is saying that a batch of 377s will be off to Southeastern.
Sorry quick question Class 700s are opetated by Thameslink and you say a few run to Kings Lynn however only Great Northern operate to Kings Lynn so are they hired out?The Kings Lynn fast and Cambridge stoppers interwork since the May 2023 timetable change, so they'd have to rip up the diagrams to do what you're suggesting. So a Kings Lynn arrival at Kings Cross will go out as a Cambridge local and a Cambridge arrival goes out as a Kings Lynn fast.
700/0s can and do run to Kings Lynn (two each way per day) and hence some of the balancing village services as well, although the large majority are still Electrostars. https://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/govia...or-passengers-in-new-summer-timetable-3250640
For example a Class 700/0 operates 1T15 0812 from KLN. It's diagram for the day is LET-KGX-KLN-KGX-CBG-KGX-ELY-KGX-CBG-KGX-ELY-KGX-CBG.
So, I would bet that they'd be much more likely to drop 700s onto more of those mixed diagrams, with the rest being 379, rather than try to segregate the fleets between local and fast services.
It is a bit of a hangover from the failure of Thameslink to deliver what was promised.Sorry quick question Class 700s are opetated by Thameslink and you say a few run to Kings Lynn however only Great Northern operate to Kings Lynn so are they hired out?
No, they are the same company, GTR, and although maintenance is done by different teams at Hornsey, they are effectively one operator under different brands.Sorry quick question Class 700s are opetated by Thameslink and you say a few run to Kings Lynn however only Great Northern operate to Kings Lynn so are they hired out?
What does that even mean? It’s an utterly fatuous statement. DfT make decisions on various factors, but whether they “like” a particular area/group/whatever certainly isn’t one of them.The DFT has never been a fan of Southern rail commuters.
So, I would bet that they'd be much more likely to drop 700s onto more of those mixed diagrams, with the rest being 379, rather than try to segregate the fleets between local and fast services.
I'll bet they end up doing that too, completely disregarding the fact that 700s were specifically designed internally for moving around large numbers of people on services with lots of stops, and not designed at all for long distance non-stop services such as the Cambridge 'cruiser'.
I barely ever travel to London on Saturdays now - mostly because between the Cambridge South works, the Cambridge resignalling, the strikes, and the way GTR are worse affected by overtime bans than everyone else, there's very few Saturdays that I can - but also because on the rare occasion that a service is actually running between Ely and London the choice is usually between sitting on a very uncomfortable 700 for over an hour, or trying to squash onto a 387 that started back at Kings Lynn and may well be standing-room only leaving Ely.
I've said this already, but if the legacy of GN getting 379s is more 700s on long-distance services, that's a major step *backwards*.
5Q79 on RTT appears not to have run today - anyone know if it’s running tomorrow as I was planning to go see it?
It is fair to say that the 700s are designed for that. 379s and 387s less so.It was full & standing from Hitchin
It is fair to say that the 700s are designed for that. 379s and 387s less so.
Those maps are slowly being replaced with that disappearing.Interesting that on the daigrams on the 700s Cambridge - Mainstone still appears as "route under development" on the map.
It is fair to say that the 700s are designed for that. 379s and 387s less so.
Those maps are slowly being replaced with that disappearing.
387s are now getting increasingly uncomfortable at times so while I get that people prefer the interior (presumably if they can get a seat earlier on) the loss of 700s will be a problem in years to come.
They're designed to move large numbers of people and when festival season begins and/or the sun comes out, I think people will miss them.
Likewise when there's a cancellation. Better standing on a train than sitting on a platform because you couldn't get on.
Few 12 car runs in the peaks these days too, and I can't see that changing when the more comfy but less numerous 379s arrive. Certainly feels like several 387s are still needed to avoid a net fleet reduction which would go down very badly. Perhaps the 6x 387/3s if keeping just one subclass makes any difference.387s are now getting increasingly uncomfortable at times so while I get that people prefer the interior (presumably if they can get a seat earlier on) the loss of 700s will be a problem in years to come.
Ely - Stansted - Liverpool St for the winbetween Ely and London the choice is usually between sitting on a very uncomfortable 700 for over an hour, or trying to squash onto a 387 that started back at Kings Lynn and may well be standing-room only leaving Ely