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HS2 TBM Progress

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Im sure it’s fit for it, it just doesn’t look like it!
The picture of the Transport Secretary in the Long Itchington tunnel was similar (if not quite as curved).
Curves are so much more interesting than straight lines. ;)
Doubtless there was contractors' clutter, and maybe a press party, just round the bend...
 
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Fascinating to hear from the experts on the job.
Bromford Tunnel looks a real challenge with its location and ground conditions.
There's obviously a story behind the polo ground land-take at Long Itchington ("expensive lawyers" ;)).
It seems "Dorothy" will have a new, slightly smaller-diameter cutter head when it starts at Bromford, with lower train speeds applying on the Birmingham branch.
I didn't hear a date for boring to start at Bromford - they have just started to assemble the cutter head for the first TBM.
Asked about the cost per metre for the tunnels, there was (understandably) no answer from the engineers.
Tunnel segments for Bromford are already being produced at Avonmouth.
 
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Cecilia catches up Florence!
An update today (16 Feb) from HS2 Ltd on the Chiltern TBMs puts the two of them (Florence/Cecilia) at 8849/8850m respectively, so Cecilia is 1m ahead of Florence, which started first.
I take that to mean that both are actually level with the Amersham vent shaft, the third of 5 shafts on the Chiltern tunnel route.
There will probably now be a pause for TBM maintenance, before the next push on to the Little Missenden shaft about 2.8km further north, or about 4 months' work.
The position of the Amersham shaft on the surface is in the middle of a large roundabout at the A413/A404 road junction: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6594871,-0.6205586,917m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

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There's a new update for the Long Itchington tunnel, also for 16 February.
Dorothy is at 996m of the 1.6km eastern bore, so well over half way and moving well.
At this rate it should finish the job in about a month.
 
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From The Grauniad: https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news...2-after-mystery-pool-of-bubbling-foam-appears

Work halted on HS2 after mystery pool of bubbling foam appears​

Tunnelling stopped briefly after brown bubbling substance emerged from the ground on rugby pitch in Ruislip.

Work on HS2 was halted on Saturday after a mysterious five-metre square pool of bubbling foam emerged above the ground where tunnelling was being carried out.

The area on a rugby pitch in Ruislip, to the west of London, has been cordoned off, danger signs have been erected, and an investigation is under way. Local residents described it as a “sinkhole”, but a HS2 spokesperson said what had emerged from the ground was a slurry pool.

The spokesperson said that tunnelling work has resumed at the site after it was halted on Saturday. It is understood that Environment Agency officials came to the scene and are monitoring the situation.

The incident began when a brown, bubbling substance emerged from the ground. HS2 said the foam has now been cleared, but on Sunday afternoon lumps of white foam could be seen emerging from the grass on the playing field, which is owned by Hillingdon council and leased to Ruislip Rugby Club.

SCS, a Skanska Costain Strabag joint venture, is constructing 13 miles of twin-bore tunnels on the HS2 route to its southern terminus at Euston. The West Ruislip tunnel is being created using a Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM).

When the contractors saw what was happening, they sealed off the area and started extra ground monitoring with the aim of preventing subsidence resulting from the leak. Additional ground anchors are being installed to protect against subsidence.

The contractors believe the leak was the result of an existing borehole, which caused slurry to travel up the borehole and pool on the surface. They will continue to monitor the area over the next few days.
I have attached some photos (not taken from the article but sent to me from someone locally). The area is still cordoned off and there is foam still coming out of the ground but the slurry has been removed.
 

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Slurry is used by some TBMs, depending on the ground conditions. This drive is, I think, the first one of HS2's that does this - probably with TBMs that can switch between slurry mode and earth pressure balance mode. And it says in the article that HS2 think there was a channel present (such as a borehole) for the slurry to escape to the surface - it's unlikely their ground surveys would have found that.

See this about this tunnel drive from New Civil Engineer, and a description of their clever multi-mode TBMs from Herrenknecht.
 

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It's 18 days since there was an update on the progress of the Northolt TBMs, but the lead TBM Shushila must be on the western boundary of these playing fields in Ruislip, opposite the LU depot which is on the west side of the Chiltern main line.

At the last update (2 Feb) it had roughly reached the Metropolitan line which is on the north side of the green triangle (with train visible on Google Maps).
It will have advanced maybe 200m or so since then, and be reaching the southern corner of the triangle.
The 13km tunnel route is close to the Ruislip-Old Oak surface line throughout, but it isn't clear where exactly the bores are - they may be directly underneath the 4-track surface lines (Chiltern and LU), or under adjacent houses and gardens, or a mixture of both.
The four HS2 vent shafts on the route are a little to the east of the surface railway route, on waste ground among the built-up zones.
One can understand the heightened alarm of the residents in the adjacent property as the TBMs approach.
I can't see anything from HS2 today on the issue, beyond saying that the offending borehole has been isolated and capped by the advancing concrete tunnel rings.
I seem to remember Crossrail had some subsidence issues with its TBM drives under London, around Barbican.

Further north, I can see media comment that there is too much noise from the Colne Valley Viaduct construction, with HS2 responding that noise levels are within the expected range.
 

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Slurry is used by some TBMs, depending on the ground conditions. This drive is, I think, the first one of HS2's that does this - probably with TBMs that can switch between slurry mode and earth pressure balance mode. And it says in the article that HS2 think there was a channel present (such as a borehole) for the slurry to escape to the surface - it's unlikely their ground surveys would have found that.

See this about this tunnel drive from New Civil Engineer, and a description of their clever multi-mode TBMs from Herrenknecht.
That was based on joining up suggestions, but I've now found a couple of more explicit sources. It turns out this was not a variable-density TBM (meaning the same as multi-mode TBM, I think) after all. HS2 is using them elsewhere, but not on the Northolt-Euston drives. This from Herrenknecht gives technical details of all HS2's TBMs.

An article about the leak and SCS JV's response in New Civil Engineer refers to the injection of drilling fluid at the tunnel face, even in a "normal" (EPB) TBM. And was this borehole drilled by or for HS2 in their ground survey? I did wonder about that.
The TBM was paused for approximately two hours between 2pm and 4pm on Saturday to dry the leak. HS2 added that “the borehole is now sealed behind one of HS2’s TBM tunnel rings”.

SCS JV has said it “will continue to monitor the area over the next few days and install additional ground anchors to ensure there is no subsidence”.

Tunnelling specialist Bill Grose believes HS2 did the right thing by stopping the TBM while investigating and then stabilising the situation before carrying on the tunnelling.

He continued: "The reports so far don't say whether it is an HS2 borehole or someone else's. Assuming it's the former, I imagine that there will be some questions asked within HS2.

"Boreholes are usually positioned some distance horizontally from the tunnel alignment and are grouted on completion to prevent this type of occurrence and of course would be recorded on a GIS or BIM model for the tunnellers to be aware of.

"The TBM will be injecting drilling fluid, ie the foam, at the tunnel face to keep the face stable and to help remove spoil. The drilling fluid will be under pressure and will therefore exploit any flow route, such as a fissure or other void at a lower pressure. The borehole, if not fully sealed would provide a route to ground level for the pressurised drilling fluid."
 

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HS2 has updated the position of the Chiltern TBMs today (March 1, previous update February 16).
They are now at 9022m/8956m, so have moved on from a short pause at the Amersham vent shaft.
 

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The HS2 tunnel tracker website is showing 3 TBMs with exactly 7.21km left to go which is quite a coincidence. Don't think it is quite up to date though. Judging by the tunnelling rates the Chilterns will be finished before the Northolts, unless the rates change significantly. Also looks to be a possibility that Dorothy could finish her second bore by the end of the month

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HS2 doesn't seem to want us to know the (slow?) progress of the Northolt TBMs - today is 4 weeks since the last update on Feb 2.
 
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Post #42 shows 1.5km as the full length.
A possibly more accurate version may be 1.48km, obtained by adding the 996m said to be done to the 484m said to be still to go.
But until now I think I've mostly seen it quoted as 1 mile or 1.6km.
 

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A possibly more accurate version may be 1.48km, obtained by adding the 996m said to be done to the 484m said to be still to go.
I mean if you want to quibble over 20m...
But until now I think I've mostly seen it quoted as 1 mile or 1.6km.
Probably a reconversion error in publications (1.5km being rounded to 1mile and then recovered back to the normal 1.6km)
 

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I mean if you want to quibble over 20m...

Probably a reconversion error in publications (1.5km being rounded to 1mile and then recovered back to the normal 1.6km)
Somewhere the press office has got an error in their numbers that they think the current bore at Long Itchington is ~100m longer than the other one
 

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Somewhere the press office has got an error in their numbers that they think the current bore at Long Itchington is ~100m longer than the other one
According to the tunnel tracker, both bores are 1.5km, but the tunnel overall is 1.6km (There is a 0.1mile 'Green Tunnel'/Cut and Cover at the south end which may also explain the discrepancy).
 

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HS2 has a piece on the Chiltern TBMs passing the Amersham vent shaft.
It doesn't add anything to the detailed TBM progress reports, but there is a good picture of the Amersham vent shaft at the A413/A404 roundabout.
 

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The HS2 tunnel tracker website is showing 3 TBMs with exactly 7.21km left to go which is quite a coincidence. Don't think it is quite up to date though. Judging by the tunnelling rates the Chilterns will be finished before the Northolts, unless the rates change significantly. Also looks to be a possibility that Dorothy could finish her second bore by the end of the month

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Oooo this is cool.
 

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The infographic for the West Ruislip portal site shows that trains of tunnel segments arrive in the early morning (0028) on three days of the week (Monday, Thursday and Saturday).

The text boxes also suggest that the spoil conveyor at the site is now complete, replacing temporary lorry movements.


EDIT:
Long Itchington tunnel's TBM, Dorothy, is now reported at 1230m (March 2) with only 250m to go.
At its current rate of 16m/day it should achieve breakthrough before the end of March.
No update yet for the Northolt TBMs (since Feb 2).

EDIT 2:
Another update (March 9) for Dorothy at Long Itchington puts the TBM at 1326m, with 154m to go.
 
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trains of tunnel segments arrive in the early morning (0028) on three days of the week (Monday, Thursday and Saturday).
This seems to be the one, RTT seems to show them on more days than the image shows
 

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This seems to be the one, RTT seems to show them on more days than the image shows
This week's infographic has deliveries on 4 nights, so evidently it varies depending on demand.


EDIT:
Despite the unrelenting gloom on the overall project, the Chiltern TBMs made stonking progress in the last 2 weeks.
Florence and Cecilia are now (March 14) at 9389m/9260m respectively, with daily rates of 28m/23m.
Still no update on the Northolt TBMs, the last was on February 2.
 
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HS2 doesn't seem to want us to know the (slow?) progress of the Northolt TBMs - today is 4 weeks since the last update on Feb 2.
HS2 updated today, 6 weeks after last update. .. TBM's progressing together averaging around 11m per day towards London.
 
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HS2 updated today, 6 weeks after last update. .. TBM's progressing together averaging around 11m per day towards London.
Steady if unspectacular progress, 1107m and 867m respectively on March 16.
Shushila has at least got past the 1km mark.
The rate is about half that of the Chiltern TBMs, though actually faster than "Dorothy" was in its first 5 months of work at Long Itchington last year.
Shushila's current position is alongside Herlwyn Avenue in Ruislip, opposite the LU Central line depot.
 

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Yes the progress is less than what one would have expected - i wonder if the "leak" into someone's garden a few weeks ago set the team back and also meant they have proceeded with caution so as to avoid any further possible negative publicity.
 

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Yes the progress is less than what one would have expected - i wonder if the "leak" into someone's garden a few weeks ago set the team back and also meant they have proceeded with caution so as to avoid any further possible negative publicity.
It's possible they are being held up by the logistics issues at the West Ruislip site.
The weekly infomap still suggests the spoil conveyor is unfinished.
 

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