Preserved locos/stock hired back to mainline use?

[sprinterguy]

I can't remember either, but I understood that the coaches that were used had been privately owned for some time, dating back to before the formation of 'Riviera Trains'. Maybe V.T. sort of emerged from a preservation group? It was certainly the case that, if they had been bought at the time they would have been restricted from commercial main line use. Wish I had noted some numbers - their history will be on the Vintage Carriages Trust preserved coaching stock website

The latter day formations of North Wales Coast trains are listed on this page, including the Riviera Trains vehicles:

The North Wales Coast coaching stock

The chocolate and cream Riviera mark 1s used were:
TSOs - 4902, 5025, 5029, 5030 (All former Intercity charter stock)
FK - 13227 (Former Regional Railways North West vehicle)
BSK - 35453 (Former Regional Railways Central vehicle)

 

[DarloRich]

It also did some work on the china clay trains in Cornwall I seem to remember.

Did it not burst hauling something near bristol after a refurb resulting in being taken out of service again

 

[Cowley]

Did it not burst hauling something near bristol after a refurb resulting in being taken out of service again

Yes I think it did, I can’t remember the details though.

 

[Harvester]

D1015 has the distinction of rescuing a failed HST in 2002, assisting it between Dauntsey and Swindon!

 

[5ArchBridge]

Thank you for the replies, very interesting reading

 

[Flying Snail]

Were 86101/86401/86213/87002 ever really preserved?

The relationship between ACLG and the commercial company ETL was always very unclear (even to signed-up but not inner circle ACLG members) but everything about the way these 4 were handled looks like commercial for profit activity not preservation, that they subsequently sold them all to commercial operations confirms this.

 

[12LDA28C]

The relationship between ACLG and the commercial company ETL was always very unclear (even to signed-up but not inner circle ACLG members) but everything about the way these 4 were handled looks like commercial for profit activity not preservation, that they subsequently sold them all to commercial operations confirms this.

Plenty of locos have been sold from preservation to commercial main line operators.

 

[Oscar46016]

D1015 10/1/24 6M42

 

[74A]

One year after T4 on the beach at Weston Super Mare the Torbay express took 150 passengers back to Bristol !

 

[Taunton]

D1015 10/1/24 6M42

Still looks more stylish than a Class 68.

 

[Ashley Hill]

It’s nearly blue with full yellow ends . Can’t wait to see it down west.

 

[Taunton]

I can actually remember seeing it coming under the footbridge west of Taunton station, on the Up Main, in what was probably summer 1963 or 64. D1015 had a unique 'Golden Ochre' livery then, so was instantly recognisable. 60 years ago ...

 

[randyrippley]

It’s nearly blue with full yellow ends . Can’t wait to see it down west.

But is that the right blue? Looks too blue to me........

 

[Sun Chariot]

But is that the right blue? Looks too blue to me........

You're right. That monastral blue really does need to be changed ...
To NSE "toothpaste" livery (gets coat, ducks for cover).

 

[Class15]

But is that the right blue? Looks too blue to me........

It’s BR “Chromatic Blue”.

 

[Cowley]

It’s BR “Chromatic Blue”.

It’s really not. I’ve seen it in the flesh (including being coupled to the blue D1062) and it’s just standard BR blue. At some point in the future it’ll be ‘modernised’ with full yellow ends just as they did when it was in maroon a few years ago.

I’m fairly certain they won’t be repainting the whole loco just for that.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

It’s really not. I’ve seen it in the flesh (including being coupled to the blue D1062) and it’s just standard BR blue. At some point in the future it’ll be ‘modernised’ with full yellow ends just as they did when it was in maroon a few years ago.

I’m fairly certain they won’t be repainting the whole loco just for that.

Is it sacrilegious that I'd love to see it in IC Swallow and numbered as 52015?

 

[Ashley Hill]

Is it sacrilegious that I'd love to see it in IC Swallow and numbered as 52015?

Wasn’t there a photoshop image doing the rounds a few years ago? There was certainly a FGW dynamic lines creation.

 

[xotGD]

Is it sacrilegious that I'd love to see it in IC Swallow and numbered as 52015?

Very sacrilegious. It should be in large logo blue and numbered 52115 (renumbered post mid-life crisis just like the 91s)

 

[43096]

Very sacrilegious. It should be in large logo blue and numbered 52115 (renumbered post mid-life crisis just like the 91s)

Or because they found a way to fit ETH?

 

[D1537]

Very sacrilegious. It should be in large logo blue and numbered 52115 (renumbered post mid-life crisis just like the 91s)

Or fit it with ETH and renumber it 52415.

 

[43096]

Or fit it with ETH and renumber it 52415.

It would have been 52115. Just like the ETH Peaks were 451xx.

It was just coincidence (based on numbers) that the ETH versions of 31, 37 and 47 were all /4 sub-classes.

 

[Cowley]

Is it sacrilegious that I'd love to see it in IC Swallow and numbered as 52015?

Yes it is but I’d have to invent a new warning reason.

 

[xotGD]

Of course, 50149 was the freight conversion, so perhaps 52115 could be in triple grey?

 

[Sun Chariot]

Of course, 50149 was the freight conversion, so perhaps 52115 could be in triple grey?

If you internet-search 52 Western fictitious livery you'll find photoshopped images of a Western in triple grey, original RF grey and large logo blue.

Anyway, back to the OP topic

 

[fgwrich]

Were 86101/86401/86213/87002 ever really preserved?

The relationship between ACLG and the commercial company ETL was always very unclear (even to signed-up but not inner circle ACLG members) but everything about the way these 4 were handled looks like commercial for profit activity not preservation, that they subsequently sold them all to commercial operations confirms this.

Yes, I did wonder too. I was rather disappointed to join the AC Loco group not to really ever hear anything from them, let alone to suddenly see a mass exodus of Locos to LSL & WCRC too. Compared to other groups like the 125 Group, AC loco group left a lot to be desired.

 

[D365]

DRS briefly owned 55016 as well, a few years after Porterbrook, although it never operated for them before being resold.

But, why? A single example of a very complicated and not simple to maintain locomotive instead of something more standard? I'm curious as to the commercial motives/thinking as it's seems anachronistic.

Perhaps DRS thought that they could salvage spare parts from their Class 37s…

 

[ExRes]

A bit of news on midlands railgen this evening regarding Class 50 Alliance locos 50007 & 50049, it seems that after the 'Mazey Day Cornishman' tour in June they will be losing their GBRf liveries for BR large logo blue

 

[Strathclyder]

A bit of news on midlands railgen this evening regarding Class 50 Alliance locos 50007 & 50049, it seems that after the 'Mazey Day Cornishman' tour in June they will be losing their GBRf liveries for BR large logo blue

This actually reminds me of how mistaken I ended up being about them going into GBRf livery in the first place; very much a 'eat my hat' moment!

 

[Class15]

A bit of news on midlands railgen this evening regarding Class 50 Alliance locos 50007 & 50049, it seems that after the 'Mazey Day Cornishman' tour in June they will be losing their GBRf liveries for BR large logo blue

Why is Large Logo so popular? Wouldn’t it make more sense to give at least one of them the more common and well-remembered BR blue?