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Derby did build trams for the Strasbourg network in France.Not to mention none of the four plants in the UK make trams(!)
That was in 1998, under ADtranz, prior to Bombardier.
Derby did build trams for the Strasbourg network in France.Not to mention none of the four plants in the UK make trams(!)
Did they build the first batch of Nottingham trams too?Derby did build trams for the Strasbourg network in France.
That was in 1998, under ADtranz, prior to Bombardier.
Yes indeed, and they are still operating.Did they build the first batch of Nottingham trams too?
Union leaders have made urgent calls for help to secure thousands of jobs at the UK’s biggest rail assembly site after production lines stopped because of a lack of orders.
Alstom said after 10 months of discussions with the Government over work for its Derby site, it had run out of time.
The tender process should take several factors before awarding a contractAh OK understood, just thought the 777 esqe interior would be ideal for SE metro
GA have stated they have 20x720s more than they need currently so no point building anymore. Reality is without more 25kV electrification there is no need for any more AC EMUS.Companies making over 19 redundant have to notify the Insolvency Service in advance (called form HR1) 20-99 employees being made redundant need 30 days notice, for 100 or more 45 days notice.
The Insolvency Service is part of Government department of Business, (not Transport), so they will now be aware and can decide if we need the factory as a strategic industry or if they are happy to let around 2000 jobs and another about 15000 in supply chain potentially be affected.
Realistically either got to give Derby a refurb contract rapidly, or place some orders for 80-150 vehicles (but if they do that probably got to throw order at Hitachi, Siemens and CAF too to stop them squealing about unfair awards). Theoretically could probably order more 345s for Old Oak Extension, perhaps more 720s, then top up LNER order with CAF, some tube trains for Bakerloo from Siemens, and some 807s from Hitachi which could be rented to open access operator. But this isn't a thread to go off topic and speculate.
Except for all the extruded and welded sections that get imported from China, and all the non process work get gets out shopped to companies like Promex, or the production of wiring looms that used to handled in house, that then got split out to RoC then told to Mothersons who’s already shut down their Derby site and the absolute mountains of electronics and power components that all get bought in from the mainland.
Litchurch Lane is and was an assembly site, the fact they assembled a bit more and had more processes on there including aluminium welding doesn’t mean the whole train is / was made there.
But that could be on site at Central Rivers, down at Ilford where other work has been done or at Widnes which is much better set up for refurb work and has much lower operating costs than Litchurch Lane.
And the only operator which might order more AC EMUs is ScotRail to replace their BR era 318/320s which has gone quiet.GA have stated they have 20x720s more than they need currently so no point building anymore. Reality is without more 25kV electrification there is no need for any more AC EMUS.
Agreed, Derby's first work was assembling carriages from kits made in Detroit by the Pullman Company. It has always been an assembly plant with a site big enough for some component manufacture and design on-site.Litchurch Lane is and was an assembly site, the fact they assembled a bit more and had more processes on there including aluminium welding doesn’t mean the whole train is / was made there.
It feels like a repeat of the coal mines, where people's anger isn't necessarily from the closure of the coal mines but the lack of available employment that followed.Cynically, and it definitely will be a factor with a General Election coming, if Derby fails the Tories can kiss goodbye to pretty much all of their East Midlands seats.
I'm not so certain the 'probably 345s' order will materialise. It's a factory that Alstom doesn't want and an order the current government doesn't want to place.Given that they are already in the mire... After 30+ years working in Whitehall my expectation is that Alstom will be given just enough work to push the bad news back until after the election....
It is Litchurch Lane, not Lichfield Lane.Interesting on Central News at 1800 tonight, two separate presenters spoke about the Lichfield Lane plant. One even read out a statement from Alstom "Litchurch Lane" .
I know that, you know that. Clearly two Central News presenters didn't..It is Litchurch Lane, not Lichfield Lane.
The aluminium parts for the Aventra bodyshells and the steel crash structures in the cabs were manufactured in the UK; perhaps you're think of Hitachi? Structural IET parts are imported from Japan.Except for all the extruded and welded sections that get imported from China, and all the non process work get gets out shopped to companies like Promex, or the production of wiring looms that used to handled in house, that then got split out to RoC then told to Mothersons who’s already shut down their Derby site and the absolute mountains of electronics and power components that all get bought in from the mainland.
Litchurch Lane is and was an assembly site, the fact they assembled a bit more and had more processes on there including aluminium welding doesn’t mean the whole train is / was made there.
I have it on extremely good authority that Motherson Derby closed in early February.The aluminium parts for the Aventra bodyshells and the steel crash structures in the cabs were manufactured in the UK; perhaps you're think of Hitachi? Structural IET parts are imported from Japan.
If Motherson Derby has closed it closed with the rest of the manufacturing at Litchurch Lane; all the wiring looms, control cabinets and desks etc for Aventra were built in Derby.
So as I'd said.Yes, when they finished building parts for Aventra.
Hitachi is a complete body with internal fitout in the UK. Derby is flat aluminium extrusions which are bolted together at Litchurch Lane to form the shell.perhaps you're think of Hitachi? Structural IET parts are imported from Japan.
Are the Class 810s amongst the IEPs with most UK content. Imagine after the current builds only potential customers for IEP would be Cross Country or ScotRail, and both seem unlikely. Maybe TPEHitachi is a complete body with internal fitout in the UK. Derby is flat aluminium extrusions which are bolted together at Litchurch Lane to form the shell.
Previously that was case not anymore, Newton Aycliffe can now produce them themselves.Perhaps you're think of Hitachi? Structural IET parts are imported from Japan.
Are the Class 810s amongst the IEPs with most UK content. Imagine after the current builds only potential customers for IEP would be Cross Country or ScotRail, and both seem unlikely. Maybe TPE
While that is basically true, Hitachi is importing around half of the 805/807 bodies for the Avanti order from Japan.Previously that was case not anymore, Newton Aycliffe can now produce them themselves.
Initial announcement was bogies at Alstom Crewe, body and initial fit-out at Newton Aycliffe and they'll be transported to Derby where the bogies, electrics, interiors and any other components would be fitted. The order seems slightly strange as the transport from Newton Aycliffe to Derby would have to be by road.We don't know how the HS2 order will be sourced.
If Derby is closed I'd expect the bogies still done in Crewe with the body and bogies attached at Newton Aycliffe and enough work done there to get them into a draggable state. Then they could be dragged to Widnes for interior and electrics fitout.
Nothing new here. Same old Tories; buy it where it is cheapest in the short term, pay the price in the future. There are always lots of highly skilled people hanging in cupboards with their legs going ready to spring into new jobs....aren't there?Richi Sunak says there will be lots of new train orders, (but no timescale which will help UK factories.PM sympathises with ‘anxious’ Hitachi but reveals 'strong order book' across UK
The Prime Minister has sympathised with what he described as an ‘anxious’ time for workers at Newton Aycliffe’s Hitachi.www.thenorthernecho.co.uk
Most probably all train factories could close in the UK.
HS2 trains could be imported from Japan, or maybe China will be cheaper?.
Other countries are actively supporting their train factories whereas the UK Government are now running them down.
We currently have more train assembly plants than we had 20 years ago. That's part of the problem.Nothing new here. Same old Tories; buy it where it is cheapest in the short term, pay the price in the future. There are always lots of highly skilled people hanging in cupboards with their legs going ready to spring into new jobs....aren't there?
The chickens hatched during the darling Margaret's regime continue to come home to roost. Get rid of all of that nasty industry and lets rely on the sharp City boys and the dole. Who would start a career in engineering manufacturing today?
Nobody in their right mind… err, oops.Who would start a career in engineering manufacturing today?
Exactly and new train orders were always going to run low eventually. It’s just the way it is.We currently have more train assembly plants than we had 20 years ago. That's part of the problem.
We have way too much train manufacturing capacity though.Richi Sunak says there will be lots of new train orders, (but no timescale which will help UK factories.PM sympathises with ‘anxious’ Hitachi but reveals 'strong order book' across UK
The Prime Minister has sympathised with what he described as an ‘anxious’ time for workers at Newton Aycliffe’s Hitachi.www.thenorthernecho.co.uk
Most probably all train factories could close in the UK.
HS2 trains could be imported from Japan, or maybe China will be cheaper?.
Other countries are actively supporting their train factories whereas the UK Government are now running them down.
The Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles (CAF) factory in Wales is a fraction of the size of Derby, CAF could easily close it and move production back to Spain.We have way too much train manufacturing capacity though.
We have to run down the factories because there is no sensible way to keep four production lines running.
The idea of ordering trains solely to keep a factory with no economic purpose open is an insane waste of money given the financial position of the railway.
There is a chance all train production could cease under a "bust", and the UK will become an importer when the next "boom" of contracts are placed“Subject to long-term certainty on Government funding, the factory in Goole is also expected to deliver a replacement fleet for the Bakerloo line, which at more than 50 years old is the oldest train in passenger service in the UK.”
The first Piccadilly line train has been delivered from Goole’s sister factory in Vienna, and has been undergoing extensive testing by Siemens Mobility’s engineers at our test track and climate chamber in Germany
Didn't the last boom lead to two or three new assembly plants, suggesting the next boom would be more likely to do that than lead to importsThere is a chance all train production could cease under a "bust", and the UK will become an importer when the next "boom" of contracts are placed
Ultimately under the market model there is no real reason for any manufacturer to build trains in the UK without handsome subsidies for the UK Government. Any plant that is built will be idle much of the time unless the government is willing to tolerate a privately held monopoly on manufacture.The Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles (CAF) factory in Wales is a fraction of the size of Derby, CAF could easily close it and move production back to Spain.
Siemens Goole is a bit bigger,CAF
www.cityofnewport.wales
but no guarantee the factory will remain and any production moves back to Vienna if it does not get more UK orders?80% of new Piccadilly line trains will be assembled in Yorkshire, Siemens Mobility confirms
Siemens Mobility is investing up to £200m in a new state of the art rail village in Goole, East Riding of Yorkshire The train factory onsite will produce up to 80% of new London Underground Piccadilly line trains in the UK, up from 50% The whole rail village will employ up to 700 people and...news.siemens.co.uk
We are already an importer, see the various Stadler products et al.There is a chance all train production could cease under a "bust", and the UK will become an importer when the next "boom" of contracts are placed